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Poll question on additional Payment Processor support

What option is bets for unsupported Artist Payouts?
don't code the option into the plugin
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
code a manual option into the plugin
90%
 90%  [ 20 ]
Total Votes : 22

Brian
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Posted: 01/31/08 19:23 
That's actually not a bad idea - my only concern with that is that Jamroom ends up relying on the code in an external system that I can't modify/change if needed, and may not be licensed to do so.

At this time, I'm looking at WorldPay for the next supported processor. Part of the complexity in the Jamroom implementation (that you don't find in a traditional ecommerce package) is the subscriptions support - that basically doubles the amount of code, and rules out many merchant processors. Then you add in Jamroom's ability to "payout", and that further limits the support merchant processors, as most have no way of sending money - only receiving.

Thanks!

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indiear



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Posted: 01/31/08 20:08 
Brian, that I absolutely agree with. I understand looking into an option that I am suggesting will eliminate the ability to auto payout through the jamroom system. That is the downside for many people I am sure. I am really just looking at it in a selfish way as to what would work best for me LOL. Personally I rather login to my cart, in this case mal's, monthly and print out my sales spreadsheet and manually pay via paypal or check (the options I give my artists).

For me personally I rather have more payout options that do not include these "online bank" type of systems that are so subject to fraud that many inexperienced online shoppers shy away from. And I know that making that choice also means more paperwork and less auto payout options. I have not looked at the CSV solution you mentioned in the previous post, I will be doing that this weekend and surely have questions. If I can get the CSV file to write in the proper format then I can move my system to the 3rd party shopping cart to allow many more options to the buyers and just more paperwork for me.

I don't think anyone is doing thousands of dollars in sales each month so the manual option is not something that would be extremely taxing. If people are selling thousands of dollars then they should be in a position to hire a professional accountant to handle their payouts anyway.

Currently I offer payout as PayPal, Check or auto deposit. Most artists go with auto deposit because I don't charge for it and they get it instantly without the double paypal fees. (fee from the purchase and then fee from paypal to pay the artist)

As I have mentioned before, a very good friend of mine is the lead developer for redhat and he helps me a lot with some things that I need. I have already put him on this idea. If he can work a solution to fully integrate the mal's cart as a module/plugin can we sell it here? Smile

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Posted: 01/31/08 20:30 

indiear:
If he can work a solution to fully integrate the mal's cart as a module/plugin can we sell it here? Smile


Yes - as long as it is supported on an ongoing basis. You'll need to commit to checking the forums on a daily basis and answering (and supporting) any user issues that may come up.

Hope this helps!

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Prawn



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Posted: 02/04/08 08:55 

indiear:
Brian, that I absolutely agree with. I understand looking into an option that I am suggesting will eliminate the ability to auto payout through the jamroom system. That is the downside for many people I am sure. I am really just looking at it in a selfish way as to what would work best for me LOL. Personally I rather login to my cart, in this case mal's, monthly and print out my sales spreadsheet and manually pay via paypal or check (the options I give my artists).

For me personally I rather have more payout options that do not include these "online bank" type of systems that are so subject to fraud that many inexperienced online shoppers shy away from. And I know that making that choice also means more paperwork and less auto payout options. I have not looked at the CSV solution you mentioned in the previous post, I will be doing that this weekend and surely have questions. If I can get the CSV file to write in the proper format then I can move my system to the 3rd party shopping cart to allow many more options to the buyers and just more paperwork for me.

I don't think anyone is doing thousands of dollars in sales each month so the manual option is not something that would be extremely taxing. If people are selling thousands of dollars then they should be in a position to hire a professional accountant to handle their payouts anyway.

Currently I offer payout as PayPal, Check or auto deposit. Most artists go with auto deposit because I don't charge for it and they get it instantly without the double paypal fees. (fee from the purchase and then fee from paypal to pay the artist)

As I have mentioned before, a very good friend of mine is the lead developer for redhat and he helps me a lot with some things that I need. I have already put him on this idea. If he can work a solution to fully integrate the mal's cart as a module/plugin can we sell it here? :-)


I agree, a straight forward credit card system would rule, as well as a CREDITS system..

Paypal is useless to me in my country, so if your processor will work for me in south africa..Then i will buy it..Cause right now my JR is just a little hobby site due to lack of selling capabilities.

I cant wait until the paypal thing becomes obsolete from JR

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Posted: 02/04/08 12:35 

Prawn:

I cant wait until the paypal thing becomes obsolete from JR


with 120+ million users, it won't be happening any time soon Wink

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WhyMan



Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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Posted: 02/05/08 15:17 
Hi there Bigguy,

Just wondering if any progree has been made towards the addition of either 2CO, Authorise.net or WorldPay?
I have to agree with Prawn
Prawn:
I agree, a straight forward credit card system would rule, as well as a CREDITS system..
I'm sure it would be appreciated by many people that have purchased JR to have a secondary payment processor/gateway/plugin, being limited to PayPal seems to be a large concern amongst these users and myself. The Credit system would just be a wonderful bonus Smile Thanks in Advance for any update information.

Cheers.. Wink

P.S. hope this isn't considered spam Wink


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Posted: 02/05/08 19:05 

WhyMan:
P.S. hope this isn't considered spam Wink


Laughing Fingers crossed, but bear in mind that this is a forum where anyone is free to post!!!

I agree that a credit/gift certificate system would be a great addition. I'm sure that additional payment processors will appear in time, although speaking personally I am entirely happy with Paypal.


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WhyMan



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Posted: 02/05/08 20:36 
Thank's for the reply SteveX, was kinda hoping things were a little closer since this was posted almost 5months ago? "I just need to finish the Jamroom Jukebox update and I'll begin work on 2checkout support." Sad

Cheers.. Wink


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Brian
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Posted: 02/05/08 20:40 

WhyMan:
Thank's for the reply SteveX, was kinda hoping things were a little closer since this was posted almost 5months ago? "I just need to finish the Jamroom Jukebox update and I'll begin work on 2checkout support." Sad

Cheers.. Wink


2checkout/authorize.net support has not panned out - not for lack of trying, but I just can't dedicate any more testing/development to it, since the "deeper" I got into the development, the more I realized that 2checkout/authorize.net does VERY little for you on the Jamroom end, and the only way to make it work was to go back to the drawing board on Jamroom's subscription setup and rebuild it from the ground up. Since that would take a significant amount of time, I've decided to focus on 3.3, then get WorldPay support in, which seems to be much more suitable for Jamroom (at least from my reading and research so far).

Hope this helps!

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Timmeh!



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Posted: 02/05/08 20:45 
Good stuff, very happy to hear.

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WhyMan



Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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Posted: 02/05/08 20:45 
Hi bigguy, Wow that was a quick reply Smile

bigguy:
2checkout/authorize.net support has not panned out - not for lack of trying, but I just can't dedicate any more testing/development to it, since the "deeper" I got into the development, the more I realized that 2checkout/authorize.net does VERY little for you on the Jamroom end, and the only way to make it work was to go back to the drawing board on Jamroom's subscription setup and rebuild it from the ground up. Since that would take a significant amount of time, I've decided to focus on 3.3, then get WorldPay support in, which seems to be much more suitable for Jamroom (at least from my reading and research so far).

Hope this helps!

- Brian
I can relate to what you mentioned regarding "2checkout/authorize.net" spent many hours on it myself Sad. I do like what I've read about WorldPay and hope that it comes to life in Jamroom soon as i think it's the best alternative so far. Again thanks for your script & support Smile

Cheers.. Wink


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Prawn



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Posted: 02/05/08 23:08 
https://www.buyxonline.com

all i want is to accept CREDIT cards....for me personally PAYPAL is utter rubbish

Currently with a HEAVY HEAVY heart i am looking for a replacement system to my jamroom..i just cannot go on with the PAYPAL nonsense..

Every competitor i have has overtaken me, purely cause i can ONLY use paypal and they can accept EVERY single payment system out there...

Today is a BAD day for me...i have lots of work to do to find a system BETTER than jamroom. But sadly i just CANNOT continue like this with no other payment solutions, in this day and age people want choice and PAYPAL is not choice...

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Prawn



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Posted: 02/05/08 23:12 

WhyMan:
Hi there Bigguy,

Just wondering if any progree has been made towards the addition of either 2CO, Authorise.net or WorldPay?
I have to agree with Prawn
Prawn:
I agree, a straight forward credit card system would rule, as well as a CREDITS system..
I'm sure it would be appreciated by many people that have purchased JR to have a secondary payment processor/gateway/plugin, being limited to PayPal seems to be a large concern amongst these users and myself. The Credit system would just be a wonderful bonus :) Thanks in Advance for any update information.

Cheers.. ;-)

P.S. hope this isn't considered spam ;)


i will pay you to help..i am so sick of this payment rubbish...the only reason i bought JR was to sell mp3s..

i have bought all the bells and whistles, upgraded and waited and waited...

to this day the only thing i cant do is sell mp3s...So as of today JR is no longer a system worth putting m companies time and money into ...sure if i was an American or a European it would all be different...But i am not so PAYPAL is useless

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Brian
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Posted: 02/06/08 15:05 
Have you considered integrating a 3rd party cart for your sales? The one mentioned earlier in this thread seems like it would be very easy to integrate.. Jamroom can already create the CSV file as needed, simply have the theme generator create it in the artist's profile directory.

Hope this helps!

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Prawn



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Posted: 02/06/08 22:35 
Very Easy?

so far i have had two payment companies attempt to integrate into jamroom..Getting the Shop cart to work is easy, but not the vault...Its all just way too much work and mission.

I am more worried about the high levels of work involved every time there is a upgrade, which is why it must be part of JR.

And financially i have spent more than i am willing already on the site for what it can do..In 2008 all sites should be able to buy trade and sell easily with more than just PAYPAL.

(Originally this was fine until paypal stopped trading with my country)

I don't expect anything to change in JR as it is an American system and i believe that in order to get what i want i am going to have to change my system. Unless i can find a coder capable of doing the job, but like i said i have hired two guys before who promised they could do it, one even liaised directly with bigguy and they too failed to pull i off..

It has to be core cause only Brian can make it work right..

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I made an edit this post in case anyone wonders

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