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Thom Yorke blasts Spotify/streaming service models
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Posted: 07/15/13 02:02 

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Thom Yorke blasts Spotify on Twitter as he pulls his music

Radiohead star says 'new artists get paid **** all' on streaming service, as producer Nigel Godrich adds 'it's bad for new music'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/15/thom-yorke-spotify-twitter


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Posted: 07/15/13 10:15 
I've always wondered how many royalty checks Beethoven received.


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Posted: 07/15/13 10:56 
I'm no history buff, but I imagine patronage was the main form of funding "high" (posh rather than pleb) arts at that time.

And he couldn't have got much of that otherwise he would have bought a synth.

Thom's unilateral move away from Spotify (do you get that in the US yet?) is interesting as a protest for small artists (he doesn't count as one of those), but it would be even more interesting if he suggested an alternative. And totally fascinating if it could be built as a jr5 module!


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Posted: 07/15/13 11:05 
Well, radiohead has never been silent with online related media streaming. I don't know that I would call radiohead a major artist either. Seems like anyone without a record label backing funding is a small artist these days.


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Posted: 07/15/13 11:21 
Not a major artist, you are right there, but they've definitely escaped the standard small artist trajectory. Ultra-Indie maybe?

£3,800 for a million streams doesn't seem like much (less than $6000).


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Posted: 07/15/13 11:59 
Interesting follow up article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/shortcuts/2013/jul/15/spotify-musicians-money-thom-yorke

Interesting to see how other income compares to the spotify deal.

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Live: Private gigs can range from £75,000 for an act with a few hits to £2m for superstars.

I don't personally know anyone who has ever commanded that sort of fee for a gig though.


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Posted: 07/15/13 12:01 
Presumably that's just listening audience. I guess if that's your only source of income and you're not utilizing multiple sites, cd sales, and download sales- yeah that's not enough to make an album. For just just streams to a radio style audience, that's 6x more than the mainstream labels get through RIAA and the likes.


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Posted: 07/15/13 12:46 
RIAA have to make more money from small artists in order to pay for the government level lobbying, international reach and ability to get around the laws of other countries. These things don't come cheap.


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Posted: 07/17/13 04:48 
Heres a follow up article by a smaller artist.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2013/jul/16/thom-yorke-spotify-ban-right-sam-duckworth
Note that there is a typo (currently), it isn't 0.004 pence per album stream, it is the same 0.4p that Thom Yorke receives.

And a follow up by the radiohead manager:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jul/17/spotify-row-radiohead-manager-defends-service


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Posted: 07/20/13 09:31 
Pulled from spotify, using soundhalo:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/18/thom-yorke-atoms-for-peace-spotify-soundhalo

Musican's Union demands new pay deal from spotify:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/20/spotify-radiohead-musicians-union-rights


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Posted: 08/01/13 11:09 
Here's a good "bigger picture" article on this, well worth a read:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/01/spotify-pandora-streaming-music-profits


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Posted: 08/22/13 15:12 
Nigel Godrich: what he really thinks about Spotify:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/aug/22/nigel-godrich-really-thinks-about-spotify

It's a more general article than that, but still relevant to this thread.


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Posted: 09/04/13 03:29 
This is going to be interesting:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2013/sep/04/ministry-of-sound-spotify-lawsuit

Ministry of Sound are going to sue spotify because they won't take down users playlists which mirror their compilations. The article is by MoS CEO and has some interesting info on spotify.

This is the paper's article on it:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/04/ministry-of-sound-sues-spotify


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Posted: 10/07/13 01:23 
Thom is still making his point:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/07/spotify-thom-yorke-dying-corpse


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