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soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 03:55:25PM
3,304 posts

my list of things ning migrators will mkiss


Ning To Jamroom

i added private notes

its simkular and with a rename in lanuage edit its functiojs close enough


just the way it can be 1 way not both eways is the primary diference really i supose
followers are great for bands
but then u get a buncha deadheads or juggalos (no offence if your a fan just not a fan of either)

wich certainly isnt the same as freinds
i mean if you try running up to hug your favorite rock idol yoir likely to be beaten down by armed guards

its a subtle diferencve that i for 1 can learn to live with
given all the other things we gain ..minor detail
chats a bigger 1

1 thing
with the chat development id like it a lil diferent then ning

ning alowed public network chat
then private 1 on 1 or instant message type chat
id add 2 other options
1 a freinds (or followers) chat
and an open chat that alowed signed out guests with no memberships to interact before joining where they can ask questions get answers and feel a part of the community before they join

id idealylike if possible
embedable content and photos
(disabled in the guest chat and guest chat stgricktly moderated )

admin option to disable guest chat or any part of the chat lkike private or followers


ohh as much as i despised nings search i think yours has issues too
very often id get zero results
if i searched just ning id get a few not alot
but if i searched say how do you use smarty codes in a template ud get nothing (that might give you results i dint know havent tried)
nings results would be too broad horibly displayed with way too much content in easch result instead of a lil excerpt
but i think yours is too narow with not enough
yea nitpicky
but i think it should be able to give some related results if an exact match isnt found or give results simular to what yiu searched for cause often people dont use the best of search terms

like in anylitics i see stuff like how du i git muh dredz 2 nut stan up onna my hed
and my dreads arent good wat 2 do
so the search should alow for some leway and try to offer results even when the search terms are horrendous
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 11:37:18AM
3,304 posts

my list of things ning migrators will mkiss


Ning To Jamroom

well strum u can set it to 'approve followers'
but ill explain the diference as i see it

on fb i have maxed out my freinds years ago and cant accept new freinds (they have a 5,000 freind limit...but im the type person that around 5,0000 ppl call me thier best freind and i cant even guess at the number of freinds i have)
niw when i reached that limit people can still follow me
they get my updates etc ..but i dont necessarily get thiers..or know them or interact with them

in here i could follow strum, but then she might not follow me back
so its not as mutual

ok to put it another way
u click add freind your saying i like you u click accept your saying i like you too
you click follow your sayijng i like you
if u accept but dont follow back its like saying well ok i guess i cant do anything about that but accept it

just like subscribers on youtube you dont nesacarily interact or know weho they are they are just someone who clicked a button


and followers subscribers etc its more about liking the content you shared.. wanting more of the same content
then it is about wanting a relationship with you the person

at least thats how i see it

i told ya i got probly a couple hundred thousand friends and thats cause i take every friendship seriously
a freinds someone you confide in when your abused or hurting or scared
a followers someone turn to when you want a new song or to see what new vids they posted
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 11:22:52AM
3,304 posts

handeling diferent url structures and the resultant "page not found' issues


Ning To Jamroom

helps? that made me feel right at home

ning was great early on even though it was a corporation and had raised something like 44 million fir development ,,they were very communicative really responsive and kept us in the loop so it didnt feel so much like dealing with a company
but then glam bought them
glam
my sites all about dreadlocks we have a "just say no to makeup' group ..we have crafters that make thier own clothes or 'upcycle' we have people living in tipis or earthships ..off the grid
and nudists
women proud to have hair wherever hair might grow

glam.. were not glam
were like the anti glam.. the kick your vanity in the teeth and be free network
seeing that "powered by glam" at the bottom of the page was like an oxymoron
we were more about depowering glam

when glam took over there were promices of ning wont change etc
but ning stopped being ning shortly after


so the factthat your 4 guys we can talk to directly ..who take our ideas seriously..

im overjoyed
still confused and struggling to learn the new system
but overjoyed that ya are what ya are

and hey tell douglas that
well i love designing i decided not to put my fantastalastic skin on the marketplace just cause i want mine to be 1 of a kind

that and when i code i didnt bother putting css in the right files or in an easy to read format i started to but then everythinjg just went into site.css
and then was planning when done to combine all css into 1 file and minimize for speed
i tend to write it semi minimized anyway

but
if he likes my skin when its done and wants to take it and modify it enough that my site stays unique that would be cool
(and if hes willing to profit share thats even better)
if u ever login and look around on my ning 3.0 ww3.dreadlockssite.com you'll see how much attention i put into evry tiny detail

as long as he alters it enough so my site stays unique im happy to help out

on ning there was alotta talk about how they thought the default free out of the box skins looked so dated and not impressive but i showed them what i did with elastic in a single day and they were very impressed


im waiting on a fully imported site to finnish off the design
but it was fun and easy to create that
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 09:54:51AM
3,304 posts

quota confusion


Ning To Jamroom

well let me ask u the full question i asked paul by email


copied from the email

im really confused about foxycart i did read alotta controversy about the charge and agree with brians post about hobby vs business and i dont care bout 15 a month im already spending 250 on the server and i live off a disability check and the lil ads pay
i pay what i pay so i can help ppl and if i can help them earn a lil (and take 1% to help cover costs) then im good

but what i dont understands the process
i get that i need a fc account and api
im assuming that that pays the 1% to me then the rest waits till the user earns 10 or more and pays them
but heres my confusion
2 things
1 how are they paid when i see nowhere for the user profiles to enter any payment info
are they paid through paypal and only have to enter that info once a 1st payments able to be made
and 2
i see a "pay out paymnents' button
do i have to manualy click that to send payments that meet the threshhold or can that be aurtomated to senjd payments every day or once a week most that sell real items nit digital would need thed payment and shipping fees right away

i might ask them if they dont mind a small annual subscription feee forthe shop


you answered the automated part (could i set up a cron job to handle that/)

but the rest
im confused how the entire payment process works
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 09:49:32AM
3,304 posts

handeling diferent url structures and the resultant "page not found' issues


Ning To Jamroom

well if u can do that
i got the biggest grin ion my face

i had to upgrade my pc to 32 gigs ram to handle my sitemap crawls
and it takes 4 or 5 days or so
then if the net goes down or a crash or power failure (very common here) i often dont get a crawl completed fir a month..even 2

a server side proper sitemap
thats like the holy grail to me


ok im gonna say it..i love you guys..lol

question
is this open sourse i think so right is jamroom run by a company or community
i know the scripts free and you probhably make a decvent ammount off the paid modules ..but this is more your passion then job tight or is it a corporation run thing
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 09:40:25AM
3,304 posts

tinymce in comments and chat module development questions


Using Jamroom

thnx i was trying to deconstruct it layer by layer by layer
and its really iframes within iframes

and the crazy part is if u change the background in firebug it woerks but on the site it dont cause it loads a seperate stylesheet after site load that overwrites it
but in html mode i could style the background but the outter container wouldnt take the same code so had to do that entirely diferently

feel free to join ww3.dreadlockssite.com and check out the result..it was beautiful
but the hardest coding ive ever had to do
and those css animations on there i wrote without any thought
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 09:31:01AM
3,304 posts

my list of things ning migrators will mkiss


Ning To Jamroom

oh thought of something since your so responsive
1 when u say monthscan you give a riugh estimate
and can we offer priority suggestions

i think we will get a chat developed on my site so wait and see if we manage on that

freinds..id rank that high
per feature search and editor probly are about even

im betting that the site builder being improved would rank highest fir non coders

and for technophobes and codeaphobics
imporovement in the help rerources
the vids could be more detailed more clear and complete
and explained a lil more in english as aposed to geekspeak

by that i mean slowed down slow the code your working on moreclearly maybe magnified explaain in a dumbed down way what the codes doing etc

several of the vids were helpful and informative but gotto the end and felt like it just fell short of clarification

same goes for the documentation
stuff like
quotas , every profile belongs to a quota some can be signed up into others need to be assigned by an admin

ok..but.. how.. wich ones... why..
its like your looking for an answer and ending up with a question
(no offence the documentation and vids are better then niing offered ..more.. just felt like i spent days trying to search for answers and getting bits and peices

i think alotta ning users are used to simple ..but simples without power a tricycles simpler then a 800 hp dragster or an mig 29

but theres a huge diference in power

i think you need to make the power you offer simpler to grasp and use
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 09:12:31AM
3,304 posts

my list of things ning migrators will mkiss


Ning To Jamroom

ok frustrations with ning and mind u i was the biggest supporter of 3.0 and tried hard to quiet the negativity wich i think was what really was killing ning even more then glams takeover and then nings communication blackout

but with ning itself where to start

on 2.0 contstant bugs that were random and not affecting eniugh people to get attention and the 2.0 mobile site killed me!
oh and refusal to listen to seo common sdence like a proper sitemap that listed everyurl not just the 5 features (forums blogs members videos etc it literaly had only 5-10 urls in a sitemasp of a site with 1/5 million urls)
and they had numerouse identicly h1 errors more then 1 h1 on a page issues
id bring these up backed up with statements from the top seo guys in the world and theyd point to a forum post where no nothings were speculating without any knowledge wether it mattered or not

2.0 was slow alot ..bloated really

i paid attention to my network so i caught bugs faster then anyone and i doubt a week went by that i wasnt on the phone with tech support sometimes 2 or 3 times a week and id say less then 1/2 the bugs ifd report got fixed ..some after 2 years seemed to fix themselves

3.0 that hasd (had/has?) alot of potential but they were forcing thier label on it (i didnt mind so much but that caused a riot) and the development times were insanely slow they promiced it would take a few months till i ciuld migrate and id have a year after that to migrate b4 2.0 was shut down so i made both live so my members could get used to it and use it
a year later hardly anything was done and thier prioritization was mind boggling
i mean it had a design studio and it had an activity feed but lacked vids anbd events ..and we ciuld not migrate till the features existed to mifgrate into or lose all our data
so 2 months go by then 3 or 4 and what do they release a new version of design studio ..
then 40-6 months go by and a slkight update toi the activity feed
at wich point they asked us to fill out a poll and tell them what features we believe shiould come 1st and they would post the results next week
the next week they post "we wilol no longer be communicating on the creators forums except to post updates" 6 more monthgs go by..maybe only 4 who knows it still says "we will post tyhe results of the opoll next week" and were working on thed activity feed and api..activity feed being out for minths and api being probably the most time consuming project that less then 1% use or know how to use
so were left in the dark strumelia and oithers started speculating that theres noone left at ning doing anything at all

but thats ning the company
ning the platform

i hated the search results that was the worse and i used the google search i added instead
the built in social stuyff like like buttons hardly ever worked
they took away webdav so i couldnt upload my sitemaps and had to use a subdomain on a seperate server or email themn to suport to upload

i also used webdav for css editss as i went over the css limit (3.0 gave u 6 times as much css space tho)

ohh the low quality vids limited to 10 min and 100 mb
i always used youtube then embed

alotta ppl complained about the delay in the activity feed it usualy wasnt too long but sometimes could be (trying to get into every thing i can think of here) ..on my site in the chat 1st messages to an admin always came up blank unless i reply then hard refresh (then still sometimes were lost) if i didnt reply b4 refreshing theyd always be lost
umm
poor seo control was a big thing

you know when i joined the entrire post was taken and put in the description meta a meta desc should be 160 char max
on 1 page it was over 4,000 words nit chatachters..words
nearly doubling the text size
when i pointed that out to them they said it didnt matter but theyd take a note of it ..i think it was a year or 2 before it was fixed

in 2.0 a ning site looked like a ninfg site looked like a ning site yea style variations but at a glance u knew it was a ning site 3.0 ofered more flexability but still there were i think 5 layout options (as far as hesader with 2 colums below 3 column 2 column left or right sidebar or 1 full page)
at least 3.0 u could have diferent layouts on diferent pages

1 pet peave given the nature of mky members
according to nings tos the vatican is a porn shop

mind yiu theres absoluteoky no porn or sexualixzed nudity on my site at all but theres a few of ppl swimming in a creek or a nursing mother or a video documentary of the omo people (find it on my site its beautiful) and just some pf my members will take a photo of thier hair after getting out of tyhe shower and not even realize a niple can be seen on the very edge
but ning if they knew of therse perfectky innocejt photos would pull them

they did have excelent spam protection....most of the time but when it failed wed be swamped in spam

oh unrelated kinda but just popped into my heasd i installed allone social links but havent checked how it works
but 1 thing ive always wanted is a built in social share widget like sharethis or addthis ..but built in since those alweays seem to double load times

back to complaining about ning

id say the absolute biggest disapointment was when they went from :were listening to every suggestion and will try to incorporate them all" to "were not listening or responding at all)

the week they announced 3.0 the president of ning was posting on creatiors daily
before that there were dozens of staff that posted and felt like freinds

and then there was only 1
and then she left

and soon after we were all left wondering whats going on

craziest part of all is daily there were posts about 'nings planning on shutting down" 'they are holding us hostage' "glam only bought ning to destroy it"

and not 1 whisper to set the record straight

it was crazy
like they no longer cared if everyone that came to ning saw pl ranting about nings out to get us

i tried and i tried and i tried to keep as level head and intergect some sensibility and possitivity

but nings silence was overwhelming


factors that lead me to consider jr
1 my mobile trafics between 65% and 85% now
though the sitemap lists 1.5 million pages the mobile sitemap lists 7,000
the mobile sites bounce rates way way higher then the main site
mobile users that did stick around had trouble doing just about everythijng

now 3.0 would solve this ..and i was happy with 3.0
but the waiting.. and not knowing i couldnt wait 6 more months..or a year..i needed a mobile ready solution now

the built in shop potentials a huge plus i offer my members free shops at shops.dreadlockssite.com but zencart shops 99 people requested shops 4 set them up 2 i did all the setup the other 2 about 1/2

when i posted about the fact the new site can have shops and that id offer afar better deal then etsy several righgt away said they would love to move to our site and redirect the trafdic from etsy to us

i love that customixzatiins in our hands even though i dont know how to yet
i love that if we wanbt a module we can create a module and share it

webdav was originaly granted because of a site called scriptsfning that and creators andjensocial and others were a wealth of code help design help etxc
but ning bought scriptsforning then closed it promicing to invcorporate most of the scripts but never doing it

recently those scripts ppl still use stopped working andthey caht access them

oh my point is (no sleep again so rambling and typo-ing like crazy) point is that creators on ning have skills mad skills they love to share
but were limited to some simple js and css and thier hands were tied always waiting on ning for the big features the modules

if some of those real smart coders come here u will see modules coming out that will do all sorts of crazy things


oh jnust to finish off the rant
when creators was upgrading to 3.0 i begged them to alow a design contest or at least let some of the creative creators help make creators creative
when it was released it just semed sterile
like no thought was out into tyhe design whatsoever

ok rant over
im sure ill think of more platform related things later
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 07:49:18AM
3,304 posts

handeling diferent url structures and the resultant "page not found' issues


Ning To Jamroom

awesome
alotta days without sleep doing nothing but working on this leaves me alot of time to think about every detail...then overload you with questions

i also got some ideas for big improvements to the sitemap module but that can be lower on the 2 do list however ..hmm if my sites ready b4 i git a clean archive to import maybe ill have my freind take a shot at it

but i noticed the sitemap only lists profile urls i think (ning 2.0 only listed features so might have only 5 or 10 urls when my proper sitemap listed 1.5 million)
ning 3.0 promiced me a on the fly updating sitemap "within the comming weeks' a year and 1/2 ago lol

but a few notes on the sitemaps
they should list all content in the site every page every photo vid should hgave the mobile markup for mobile pages etc
additionaly besides having every page listed ,,and all content it would be very preferable to be able to set priorities per feature or maybe quotas as well as change freq to help guide crawling

now an on the fly updater would be a dream come true and is possible
a listener could listen for all ad content of any sort events wether add a profile a store item a comment or blog ..well anything with a url
it woukd then write the url to the sitemap

1 issue might be if a blogs getting a million comments a minute (i dont think comments get a url here do they? if not problem solved) but if a feature was overwhelmed with new content being added causing an overload of writes to sa file you could have 1 sitemap per feature or profile or whatever (not ideal but solves that issue) so that reduces the writes per file and when the xml reaches 40,000 urls it creates a next sequential number and writes that to the index

just not sure wich would be more eficient a crawl of a million pages at maintenence run or the add on the fly option

question when the current sitemap updates does it crawl the file system for urls or poll the database for profile urls
updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
soaringeagle
@soaringeagle
11/09/14 07:27:24AM
3,304 posts

tinymce in comments and chat module development questions


Using Jamroom

oh hell yea you guys are awesome and yea that makes life alot easier

now if i can manage to get my styling from my ning 3 site to work on tyhe tinymce here (wich i think it should) that would be sweet
that editor was the hardest thing iveever come across to style (and had to style diferentky fir html mode then wysiwyg mode) ..but when i finaly got it the results were spectacular and was the only site id ever seen that had the editor styled
it does look lil diferent here but im sure most of the classes are the same and i can adapt
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