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A more Generic JR5

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Thanks Michael. I will go and watch the video. You have been doing a great job with your video tutorial.

Many Thanks

A more Generic JR5

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@Smith.kyle, @Paul, @Brian, @Steve,

Thanks a lot for your feedbacks. I think you misunderstood me. I am not denied the amazing work that the team has done at all. I am a great supporter of JR5 and I always thank you for the great work and the support we have been receiving.

Please please do not get me wrong. I apologies if I have hurt someone's feelings or if I didn't express myself well.

@Smith.kyle

yes I agree that is the templates that need to be changed.

@Paul

I can't agree more. Yes it is impossible for you, even any programer, to design a 'one size fits all' Jamroom.

I am not talking about module name. My thread is not about module URL.

@Steve

Once again, I am not talking about the module URL. That one is easy to do through ACP.

@Brian

Once again, please please do not get me wrong. I am not ungrateful, also I am not disrepecting your hard work and great accomplishment either. You and the Team have done a lot for us and I will always thank you for that. My sincere apologies if you feel that way.

When I was talking about "genres", I meant "Categories" (Audio Category). Since for audio, it has always been called "genres" in JR. There is no way to call a "conference" a "genre". I have been always planning to call (rename) "audio genre", "audio category".

Of course, at no time have you ever "promised" to make everyone happy. That was just my way of speaking trying to explain mysef. The fact is the Team did promise that we will be able to change Audio URLs to whatever we want. (more flexibility in URLs). Please read the link to the archive I posted in my previous post. That is the reason why since that time I have deduced that in the new JR5 we will have more generic URLs and we will be able to change/rename them from probably the ACP without file hacking or maybe with few (I mean very few) template file hacking.


Once again, my post is not about changing the Audio module. That is why I said that you all misunderstood me.

Changing a module name or URL is extreamely easy in JR5. The JR Team has done an awesome work. Congratulations.

Let me explain myself again in few words to clarify things.

I will just give you an example:

The second and third menu in the top menu bar are: "Artists" and "Music"

Their URLs are:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/artists
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/music

Even the sub-pagessub-menus like: Newest Artists, Top Artist, Music by play, Music by rating, Music Charts, Music Charts Weekly, Monthly, Yearly, etc... have the word/text: "ARTISTS" or "MUSIC" in their URLs.

Unlike other modules (audio, video etc) there is no way to change/rename the words "Artists" or "Music" from the ACP and change them in the URLs.

At this moment, the only solution is to edit/hack template files, even to rename music.tpl and artists.tpl files.

Then you would need to modify all the links in the skin templates that lead to the music and artist page so they match the name of the templates you just renamed.

It is a huge Skin modification, on a large scale, almost all the template files need to be edited/hacked.

Ok, once the skin modification has been done, what about the template update now? How easy will the skin update be?

Now here is where the "Generic" concept enter the scene. If JR5 was more generic with standard/generic words like "Authors" instead of "Artists" or "Audio" instead of "Music" we would have URLs like these:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/authors
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/authors/by_newest
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/authors/most_viewed

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio/by_plays
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio/by_ratings
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio_charts
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio_charts_monthly
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/audio_charts_monthly

It could have avoided us so many template files hacking. Also It could have been the middle point for both music/artist-based sites and non-music/artist-based sites. None of these groups could have needed to hack the template/skin file again.

Developing a system with front URLs that have the words "Artists" and "Music" in them and which are hard to edit requiring so many template file hacking, still prouves that JR5 is not Completely Generic out of the box yet and still has a few steps to go to be more generic. It was still built with Music and Artist in mind.

I think the most effective way to solve this issue is to add the possiblity to change the "Artist", "Music" and "Music chart" URLs from the ACP without any template file hacking the exact same way you did it with the audio, video modules. It gives the Admin the flexibility to change them to whatever word he/she needs without template file hacking at all.

As I mentionned in my previous post, I say it again:

I know there are already considerable efforts that have been already made to get JR5 more generic. I am thankful to that.

We have more generic URL like:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/richard-hefner/audio/1/deep-purple

but the following URLs (and probably many more) were left behind:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/music
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/artists
etc

Do you understand now why I am talking about a more Generic JR5?

Thanks a lot for your understanding.

A more Generic JR5

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Hi JR Dev Team and Friends,

This thread started in the link below while discussion with Douglas who has been providing us with an awesome support. I am thankful.

https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/forum/using-jamroom/845/video-genre-field

I have decided to start a new thread (separate topic) because the subject discussed here is so important to some of us JR users.




This is not an encouraging news at all.

We have been waiting for a standard and more generic JR for years. But today I just feel that we have been left behind again.

I love JR a lot because it is the BEST Media Sharing CMS on the web. JR5 is just a Masterpiece. What a Big Achievement and Great Script! Congratulations to the Team.

JR5 was aimed to be more generic and flexible to fit/suit any media industry and communication needs (with more generic words like "audio", "author", etc) than jR4, not music and artists only!.

It is something that many JR users and I have since resquested.

Please see the archive:

http://archive.jamroom.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=41398

and

http://archive.jamroom.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39689

and many more...

The Dev Team promised to make everybody happy. I just can't understand why The Team failed to keep its promise and made the same mistake again?

As already mentionned in my previous posts:

Please bear in mind that we are not all using Jamroom to manage Artists and songs. In our case, most of our Audio Files are NOT NECESSARY SONGS. Also, not all our Audio Suppliers are Artists. We do have Audio recordings of conferences, meetings, debates etc. But Now unfortunately we have to call everything: "SONG" and Everyboby is an "ARTIST". That doesn't make any sense to me and I think that it is so confusing and misleading.

JR5 was supposed to be used by anyone, any company willing to broadcast or share his/its audio - video content.(Individuals, Schools, Universities, Churches, Political Parties, Business, TV and Radio Stations, Musicians etc)

How can a debate, conference, online course, university lecturing, church sermon, radio show etc simply be called "MUSIC"? with a URL like this: yoursite.com/music

How can a teacher or university lecture, ceo, politician, church preacher etc be simply called "ARTIST"? with a URL like this: yoursite.com/artists

I might sounds stupid but it doesn't make sense at all.

JR5 was supposed to fit any media industry and communication needs right out of the box and without any "file hacking".

Now to get rid of the word "Music" and "Artist" in the URL and to get JR5 more standard and generic, one must hack so many template files. Sorry I am not a coder, but this should'nt be good for both JR System (template) and JR Users. It will not be a good experience for some of us JR-based site owners.

I had tuff time trying to get rid of the text "Music" and "Artists" in the URLs back in JR4. Now, just the fact of thinking that I have to undergo the same nightmare in JR5, it is just a misery for me.

Please check out this post and see how I have suffered with JR4:

http://archive.jamroom.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39689

I suggest the use of words/terms like: "Audio" and "Author". Indeed, the words "Audio" instead of "Songs" and "Authors" instead of "Artists" are Very Generic and General, and can be used to fit/suit any business type willing to use Jamroom as it Multimedia or Audiovisual system (Social Media Platform). It's called “FLEXIBILITY” .

We should have URLs like this:

yoursite.com/audio (not /music)
yoursite.com/author (not /artist)

Or maybe you should consider developing a system whereby the admin can enter whatever word (text) he/she want to use for "Music" and "Artsit" and the change will reflect in the URL.

I know there are already considerable efforts that have been already made to get JR5 more generic. I am thankful to that.

We have more generic URL like:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/richard-hefner/audio/1/deep-purple

but the following URLs (and probably many more) were left behind:

http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/music
http://demo.jamroomnetwork.com/artists
etc


Please Dev Team, Can't you hear us (non-music/artist-based sites)?

JR5 is still in its early stage. It is the right to find a solution and fix this issue making eveybody happy. It will also be of great benefit to you (Jamroom Company) since it will widen your range of Business opportunities and users/customers. More indstries (Business type) being able to easily use JR5 without too much file hacking means more Business for you. More Business means more money.

My apologies for my ignorance but hope you understand what I am trying to say.

Many Thanks

updated by @pch: 12/27/13 11:25:47PM

Video Genre Field

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Thanks Steve. Well, I just wanted to know before I start editing my site and eventually wasting my time, maybe your mod will fit my needs.

Any release date?

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Video Genre Field

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Not quite sure but I will go and check it out again.


Then could you please confirm to me whether direct URLs (see the example below) from the top menu to the genres/categories will work?

Example:



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Quotas Comparison Matrix

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Thanks Boss.

Item Tags module updated to version 1.2.0

Announcements

Getting more and more shiny. Nice work, Team!

I am the one who mentionned and resquested the Tag feature in JR5. I still remember how people didn't agree with me and how my request was just neglected.

Now the Tags module is one of the best and must-have module.

Thanks.

Video Genre Field

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@Douglas

Update:

I have managed to see the genre tab you were talking about. I saw it on this site showcased here in JR:

http://www.mixposure.com/music

Why isn't the Genres tab showing on my site? Same on JR demo.

Now there is another concern popping up:

The Genres tab and the drop down seem to be powered by ajax. The genres load on the same page than the music page (/music). So There is no way to know or grab the direct URL to a specific gernre/category.

I would like to have these URLs because I would like to add genres/categories to the top menu bar.

Since JR skins don't have Genre/Category Pages like on Youtube yet ( http://www.youtube.com/sports)

What is a direct URL to a specific Genres/Categories based on the modification yo gave to me: (/search_area=audio_genre/search_string=.....)

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Quotas Comparison Matrix

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Missing it! It was a great feature. Any chance to incorporate it back? The new Quota jumper in JR5 is time-consuming and you have to go module by module.

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Video Genre Field

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Awesome. Thanks Douglas. I will go have a look to the post.

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