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Strumelia
@strumelia
12/03/14 04:38:02PM
3,605 posts

domain mapped to profile?


Ning To Jamroom

The trouble is it's not a 'blank slate' as it installs right now- things are set up by default in some non-intuitive and fairly confusing ways that I touched on in my post right before that.
I don't think you really hear what I'm saying or meaning, SE. No 'traps', no 'demanding', no limiting of customization, no 'raising hell'. Just a little less confusing initial design layout. But then, I'm not here to argue with you. I just want to give my input without it getting immediately stomped all over and dismissed.
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Strumelia
@strumelia
12/03/14 03:10:45PM
3,605 posts

how to accomplish these


Ning To Jamroom

Paul, I was looking at these settings myself today, and i'm a bit confused as to this:
If I set signups so that new singup members can choose their own quota when joining, (like say teacher, or student, performer, or vendor)- then wouldn't that also give them the ability of choosing to make themselves admins? OR... do i go into the quota setting to simply 'hide' just the admin quota/role from being shown at all in the signup choices?
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/03/14 02:54:49PM
3,605 posts

domain mapped to profile?


Ning To Jamroom

Thanks Paul.
I have some various related thoughts that I may as well throw in here...

In some ways I think it may actually be counter-productive for us "early migrants" to be tweaking a million things individually with code here and code there. I think some things really ought to be in the basic modules and core and skin to begin with, rather than potentially having to individually tell 100 different ning refugees how they can insert code to get something as basic as, say, having a member name showing next to each video in the main video section. I guess what i'm saying is there is still a lot of things that I feel should be in the basic outofthebox set up that are either missing or confusing.

We already KNOW that our JR sites can be customized in a million ways to do and be just about anything we want. But as 'early beta migrants', the more we tweak and customize our JR sites, actually the further away from the outofthebox imported network we will get, and thus we will no longer be able to 'see' and make suggestions on what a brand new migrant will see when first installing the Bundle and importing their Ning archive.

As an example, I learned early on that I could clone my Ningja skin and then customize the clone to make it look more the way i want. However, it was suggested that I stick with the JR version of the Ningja skin since that's the one that will be updated regularly. Now I'm hesitant to do much of anything on my JR site, appearance-wise at least, because I'm not sure how often or for how long I would have to keep 'comparing' and copying my custom code tweaks and updates between my cloned skin and each new ningja skin update. The more code tweaks i add, the more of a PITA each module/skin update will be.

Thus, I'm still sticking with the regular ningja skin and updating it dutifully every few days, but I don't even want to add a site banner or my colors, fonts., logos, etc yet. I'm not sure how much i should customize on my own by testing or adding code, and how much i should just mention to hopefully get changes made in the core, skin or modules themselves (like for instance the member names showing alongside videos, profiles, photos, and music clips, ...which I feel should be there by default, not something that we should be adding code for in each module or skin instance). That's just one example of many.

The other related issue to this coding thing is that if I mention how it would be good to have something be a certain way by virtue of common sense or clarity, I immediately get people telling me I can insert some code into an obscure template to get that change. BUT... most of these things I am bringing up are things i feel should be there as default/outofthebox simply in order that ning migrants not feel utterly confused and lost. They are not things that strike me as being terribly difficult to change in the basic setup.

Yes, I truly DO understand that any ning refugees coming here to JR will have to take some responsibility for their own sites and learn how to make site changes for themselves. But as it is now, there are too many things in the initially setup site that seem kinda crazy to me that will likely cause a whole lot of confusion and frustration to former ningsters arriving.

I wonder if I should start a thread listing some of these site design issues I find so confusing, but I'm afraid people will (as usual) jump in to tell me how to add code to 'fix' it...and keep insisting that I try their code. But unless you want every single new ning customer asking for help with the same mundane 'fixes' over and over for all eternity, then it might make more sense to fix it in the JR platform itself, to be default. I have a hard time trying to bring attention to each problem I see as needing a universal change, without being told I need to code it to change it- the REAL problem is that only changes it for my OWN network, not for everyone else who will follow me and want to correct the very same issue.

Thus, I don't see the overall goal here as being only about my tweaking my own JR site to my personal liking (I already know that's totally do-able)- rather the overall goal, as I see it, is bigger - to make the whole JR Ning Bundle into something that has (at least initially) a somewhat familiar and reassuring feel and look the moment each new weary ning traveler comes in the door and unpacks their bag. Everything can be customized of course, but that initial impression is important.

Sorry for the long post, but I find these thoughts to be a little tricky to clearly express. Thanks for your time in reading!
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/03/14 10:02:59AM
3,605 posts

Remove alternative Quotas on Sign up


Ning To Jamroom

Thanks Paul.
Now I seem to recall that somewhere I stumbled into a place where I had a choice of making a member be an 'admin' or not- and I had TWO choices for the LEVEL of admin: one with FULL admin privileges (like me as site owner) and another with a slightly lower set of privileges- which would be good for moderators but not admins.
Now I can't remember where I saw that 2 admin types choice... d'ohhh! Any hints?
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/03/14 08:57:40AM
3,605 posts

domain mapped to profile?


Ning To Jamroom

Even the most basic version for ning users would have to have the modules in place to receive the various ning content- videos, Youtube support, Photo/images, blogs, forums, music files, etc.
It's the skin and the design studio aspect that need to be more familiar right out of the box- and that's exactly what the JR team is working on as we speak. They are making the Ningja skin be more ning-familiar, and they are creating a new 'site builder' which will offer some drag-drop interface more like ning's DesignStudio, more 'dummy friendly' (hey I'm one of those dummies, too).

They are already doing what you are talking about SE, which is working on a 'dummy version' of Jamroom that is easier to use for ning people who arent code experienced. It's just not all ready or finished yet.
The beauty of it is, this very same Ning Bundle and Site Builder when finished will be both a "JRlite for dummies" as you put it, but ALSO it will be a JRpro because anyone will be able to add to it more functions, features, and modules and customize anything they want to above and beyond the basic out of the box functionality. It'll be as simple or elaborate as one wants! :)

It's like that already- customize and add all you want, but the bundle and skin functions in a basic way to get you started.
My impression is that we are all still beta-testing the whole Ning Bundle and the first 'ning-skin'. It still needs to be tweaked so that when first installed things are right off the bat laid out in a way that is more familiar and less confusing. A lot of that is simply layout and language.
For example: I had to create a link in my top nav bar to "Home" to enable people to find their way back to my site's main page. There should automatically be top links for every main feature that had content imported: Images, Videos, Blogs (top link for Blogs still missing on my site and I'll need to create one), Profiles, Discussions/Forum, etc.
Also for example, on my main page is a module for "Top Groups" and then another module for "Top Discussions". Well I assumed "top discussions" was top FORUM discussions, not group discussions, and actually there is currently NO main page modules for Forums at all, so I'll have to create one for Forums, and then re-label the group discussions to make it clearer. Another example: on main page I have "Blogs" module (showing the latest blog posts), then also an "Older Posts" module which is actually just a longer list of the latest Blog posts, not discussion posts as I would have assumed.
It's all still confusing appearance and layout "out of the box" at this point in time, and to make it less confusing I have to start changing code in various places that are not simple for me to find or understand, though of course I am trying and learning slowly. But most ning customers will get lost as it is now. I KNOW that the JR team's Site Builder is going to help this situation a great deal, as will further tweaks to the basic Ningja Skin. It just will take some more time.

It's all very well for someone like Soaring to keep tweaking and customizing his JR code and skin in a million ways and have it be a cool example to show other ning customers how they can customize their JR site to be anything they want. I think they get that already. But the real challenge is to make it so that they won't run screaming in the other direction when they first import their content and can't figure out how to add a nav link, add their own banner, rename things or move anything around on their site. Hopefully that's where the future basic Ninja skin tweaks and the coming Site Builder will help a lot, plus whatever other changes the JR team is still working on now or in the next few weeks. :) I have high hopes!
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/14 08:10:32PM
3,605 posts

domain mapped to profile?


Ning To Jamroom

I'm pretty sure a woman on the developers team would want to simply be thanked the same as the others.
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/14 06:11:40PM
3,605 posts

Arranging Tabs In Profiles: How Do You ?


Design and Skin Customization

I agree, ideally it would be a simple thing to arrange the profile tabs to make more sense than just alphabetical.
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/14 11:25:08AM
3,605 posts

question for paul re specific database tables i need to clear


Ning To Jamroom

Good thinking!
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/14 08:48:37AM
3,605 posts

question for paul re specific database tables i need to clear


Ning To Jamroom

And on the ning end of the archiving, I think archiving the members LAST is best, because if the feature by feature archiving process takes say 3 days, you don't want new members joining meanwhile and posting new content only to not be included in your "members" ning archive folder.
I feel it's best to have the 'members' be the freshest ning feature, that you download last. That way, if the importer is looking for a member that has posted something in the archive, it'll at least find that member. If that member's initial content like a discussion post is missing, no big deal, but if there's a discussion thread created by a member that is missing in the archive, tha'ts likely to cause more of a problem.
That's also why it's best as Paul said to import the members FIRST on the JR side of things.
updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
12/02/14 08:40:16AM
3,605 posts

User Requests


Ning To Jamroom

Thank you Michael, I will check into this.
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