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Strumelia
@strumelia
03/01/18 12:33:59PM
3,605 posts

Preventing accidental deletion of my Forum Profile / disable delete button


Design and Skin Customization

I recently made a stupid mistake, but I now know I need to prevent this from happening so easily again.

My site uses the jrForum module, and when first building my site I created a forum profile called "Forums" to house/own all the discussion forums on my site. This profile 'owns' the many hundreds of forum discussions created over the past nine years of the site.

Yesterday, while going through and deleting some older moot discussion threads (by clicking on the trash can button to the right of each discussion title), I let down my guard and accidentally clicked the trashcan button a couple of inches higher- the one to the right of my "Forums" profile name. After deleting over 30 discussions one after another, i was no longer reading the "Are you sure you want to delete this item?" warning.
I clicked it and BOOM, all my forums were GONE, and the profile along with it.
The terrific Jamroom Team responded very quickly to my desperate ticket and retrieved everything for me (luckily I had hourly backups enabled, so I didn't lose a whole day of site activity).
Whew, a huge relief!
But this got me thinking that it was all too easy for me to hit the wrong trashcan again- they are uncomfortably close to each other.
I'd like to DISABLE the trash can next to ONLY my Forums Profile (profile#2) so it won't show and will be more 'idiot proof'. =8-\ I want that button to remain in place for all other profiles, however.

How can I do this please?
Below is a screenshot of the button I'd like to hide from myself and any other Admins...you can see the forum area I was in when I committed the dumb mistake.

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updated by @strumelia: 06/01/18 09:12:06AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/01/18 08:40:39AM
3,605 posts

Helping my members see their 'pending' Followers


Using Jamroom

OK, for the past two days I discussed the whole follow/privatemessage system options with my six sensible site Moderators (profile admins). I explained to them the various function and feature interdependencies of PrivateNotes, Followers, and FollowersToFriends... and the setting options available. Usually I don't have so much trouble making site decisions, but this issue kept frustrating me, I felt it was worth bringing them in and giving them the rather complicated (to us) function explanations.
I was relieved to find that they all seemed to favor the same choices... not what I expected at all, but it made the decisions much easier for me! :)

Two things distinguish my 9 year old site from the average social network: 1) I have a larger proportion of over-50 members with pretty limited online skills, and 2) Our site is extremely kind and friendly towards each other, with almost non-existent member conflicts or trouble occurring over the years.
Keeping those factors in mind, the moderators and I have all agreed and I've put into action our new site settings:

--most importantly, we're now allowing all members to private message all other members WITHOUT needing to 'follow' the other person in either direction. This will work well for our very friendly site, with safety/privacy options still available to members: being able to BLOCK anyone they don't like, and being able to turn OFF getting any PMs at all if they like. Allowing this PM'ing freely will address the SINGLE BIGGEST ongoing difficulty my members seek help with over and over: not understanding how to use the Follow system back and forth, and leaving their followers pending and then wondering why they couldn't send messages.

-- We're keeping the Follow system in place, to allow members to enjoy building their 'friends' lists and to enable them to keep up with only their friends' posts if they like, via the Latest Activity TAB on their own page. Taking away people's Followers at this stage of the game would cause members' heads to explode. ;) I've simply eliminated the dependancy between the PM system and the Follow system.

--Using the new toggle Tool made available recently, I've now rest all 3600 member profiles to again 'require approval' for new followers, and also set the default for NEW members that way. Individual members will still be able to UNset that again for themselves, but because of the FollowersToFriends module, this will help prevent the accumulation of Pending followers by members who seldom check their settings.
As in earlier in this thread, thanks to support here I've also added a user dropdown menu link to "Pending Followers" with a number, which will go a long ways to help members REALIZE they have some pending. (most members were not thinking to click the Followers TAB on their profile page... tending instead to just look at the avatar pics of their recent followers on their profile page widget...which does not show any 'pending' status. This is similar to the user menu link to Private Messages with a number following it showing one's unread messages.

--some sites would naturally not want to allow members to freely message non-followers because of the potential for spam. This is not a significant issue for my site because: I have several anti-spam safeguards in place that prevent spammers from ever joining (I've had only ONE spammer in 2.5 years get past the gates, and they were ID'd and banned within an hour), ...and also the fact that it's not very worthwhile for legit members to 'spam' each other via PMs since messages can only be sent to one person at a time. I have a strong moderation team of active well liked people who members know they can contact if they receive any messages that are unsolicited or uncomfortable.

I think perhaps I've covered everything. I'm hoping that sometime in the future this whole thread might be helpful to other JR site owners searching this forum for input on perhaps similar issues to those I've been struggling with for such a long time.

My big thanks to the JR Team for creating additional modules and tools for us all that give us multiple options to customize what we need for our particular sites.
And of course my big thanks to the Team as well for continuing to help me understand some of the settings and options available to me. My questions and confusions have been going on about all this for much too long and surely must have tried your patience.

I'm considering this PM/Followers issue to be SOLVED for my sites now. THANKS so much!
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/27/18 01:55:15PM
3,605 posts

Soundcloud not accepting API applications


Installation and Configuration

fwiw.. my 230 soundcloud clips from various site members all seem to be still working too.
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/26/18 01:09:46PM
3,605 posts

Helping my members see their 'pending' Followers


Using Jamroom

Understood Michael. And I so appreciate your patience.
I'm going to take another day or two while I get more feedback from my moderator group, then I'll get back here with a final (I promise!) plan. So far, they are not saying what I expected them to say, so their input may be very helpful in my deciding what path to take on all this.
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/26/18 07:46:18AM
3,605 posts

Helping my members see their 'pending' Followers


Using Jamroom

Michael, I do see what you are saying about the fact that the 'follow back' connection only actually happens when the 'approve new followers' setting is ON. In other words, when a person actually clicks that Approve button, the follow back happens.

I have just now solicited thoughts from my six site Moderators (profile admins) asking how they might like the Follow/Friend system to actually function. I think once I get their thoughts i will be finally clear on what choices I need to make about this system's settings and tools and how I'd like it to function for our site. It's important because 1) it governs the private message system which is very important to my site and 2) my members continue to have big problems understanding how 'follows' work ever since we moved to Jamroom.
Again, thank you for hanging in there on this- I know it must be frustrating for you at this point.
updated by @strumelia: 02/26/18 07:46:55AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/26/18 06:28:38AM
3,605 posts

Comet Chat vestiges


Using Jamroom

Yes, that was from before there was a JR cometchat module and my Premium version was installed directly.
Thank you Paul, that worked great and now those tables don't show up in the integrity chack I did afterwards. Yay!

It's scary in there in DatabaseAdminLand! =8-0
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/25/18 02:21:34PM
3,605 posts

Comet Chat vestiges


Using Jamroom

Before Jamroom offered their own version of Chat "SimpleChat", (which my members and I all love, and which is FREE to us on Jamroom hosting)... I used to use Comet Chat on my Jamroom site.

As soon as JR's chat came along, I switched over to it and am totally happy with it. I deactivated my CC module at the time but left it in place in my ACP basically because i was afraid it might have some template setting that could screw up my Simplechat if removed.
I got brave last week and just deleted the whole CC module via my ACP 'delete module' command.
Yet I continue to see many many Comet Chat files flying by when I run Integrity checks.

My Amazon S3 bucket has recently gone from a monthly bill of around $1.50 ....first to $3.50, and now suddenly to $12. ! But that may be for another thread. Meanwhile, partly for that reason I tried to track down where those remnant CC files were on my server in order to rid myself of CC once and for all.
A couple days ago I connected via FTP to my server and ran a search for anything with either comet or cometchat in the file name. I found a bunch of stuff in my data/media/1/0 folder.... stuff like "201802250910:cometchat_chatroommessages:99CaEwC9C6GG.sql.gz" and I deleted dozens of such files with "cometchat" somewhere in the file name. Now they appear to be back again, and I just now deleted the same 133 duplicated/backup files AGAIN. I don't know how they reappeared, but they are sets of duplicates that look to have been backed up. I continue seeing lots of "optimizing table" and "repairing table" cometchat files when doing integrity checks.

Where/how can I finally delete all these annoying CC remnant and vestige files?
Please see the below screenshots of both my Integrity checks and also my Amazon S3 bucket....


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updated by @strumelia: 05/27/18 01:17:00PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/25/18 01:32:36PM
3,605 posts

Helping my members see their 'pending' Followers


Using Jamroom

Michael, a couple weeks ago I applied the newest version of the Followers to Friends module on my (non-active) pennywhistle site, to test it and to test the new Tool. That's when i noticed the 'auto-followback' seemed to not be working, and i wasn't sure just how long that had been going on- could have been over a year for all I know.
HOWEVER, I have still not applied that newest version to my FOTMD dulcimer site, so i could compare. The FOTMD site still has the previous version of FollowersToFriends on it- 1.0.4 ...the follow-back does not appear to be working there either. I've been going on assumptions for two years, thinking all this was doing its thing smoothly. I hadn't tested it thoroughly nor thought it all out thoroughly, and I apologize for that. One setting has conflicted with other settings and has created a dilemma of sorts... I can see that now.

As you know, I recently tried to make my members more aware of any pending followers by putting a new LINK in their user dropdown menu which appears when they hover over their name when logged in. That link also shows the number after it of how many are pending, or zero, and takes them to their pending followers page where they can take action.

See the below SCREENSHOT of a ning network- a Pending Friends link appears on every single page in the right side user's info column when a member is logged in- you cannot remove that column. NOT having that wasted space "user menu column" in JR is great, and I definitely would NOT want it back like it is forced on ning. BUT, the one good thing about it was that members were definitely made more aware of the fact that they had pending Friends. Now that I have put a link in the member's dropdown menu though, it perhaps brings back the option of maybe removing the FollowersToFriends module altogether...? and just use the tool to set everyone back to having to approve their new followers? I'm thinking out loud here and am still not sure what to do, other than try to make it more ninglike so that once you click Approve on a follower(friend), you are automatically both friends of each other and can exchange PMs. But Friends do remain pending and require approval on ning as well.

Michael, I just now dug back using the search tool to find the thread from 2 years ago when Elise sponsored the creation of the Friend module for JR:
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/forum/jamroom-developers/43205/creating-a-module-to-change-from-the-follow-model-to-the-friend-model#last
I just read that whole thread again, and I can see how I had many of the same confusions back then that i have now. (d'OH!)

If the individual member has the option of turning OFF their need to approve new followers, OR if I set new members to by default not need to approve new followers, OR if I use the new tool to set all profiles to not need to approve new followers.....then the auto follow-back will not work for those members affected.... right?
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updated by @strumelia: 02/25/18 01:33:18PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/25/18 09:52:45AM
3,605 posts

Helping my members see their 'pending' Followers


Using Jamroom

Michael,
The way I'm understanding it, the 'Followers to Friends' module was created specifically to ADD TO the normal Followers module, in order to further speed up the process of creating a complete two way connection, enabling PMs faster.
See this thread from 2 years ago:
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/forum/using-jamroom/46016/followers-and-followers-to-friends#last
In it, you quoted this:
"Followers to Friends sets up the Jamroom Followers system to make it work more like a "Friends" system by automatically "following back" a profile when a user follows a new profile."

On Ning, the Friends system works this way:
Jane clicks the "add as Friend" button on Bob's profile page. (she's now a pending friend). Bob receives a notification that Jane wants to be his friend. If he has notifications OFF, then he still will see a "Pending Friends" with a number after it in his very visible user menu on the side of every page on Ning (not hidden in a tab area which is easy to not see). Anyway, once Bob becomes aware of pending friend Jane, he clicks to Approve, and instantly there is a two way 'follow' or friend connection, and they are instantly able to exchange PMs. Bob does not have to 'friend' or follow' Jane back nor click any "Add to friends" button on her page.
BTW, if Bob doesn't like jane and doesn't want to be friends with her, he can simply either ignore and leave her friendship 'pending', or click Delete to remove her from his pending list of firends. She will not be notified that he deleted her- she'll simply not hear anything back and can re-click Add as Friend on Bob's page at any time again if she wants to try again. If she becomes a pest, Bob can always 'block' her. ;D

My problem is that I'm not seeing the reciprocal follow happening despite having my Friends to Followers activated to do so.
updated by @strumelia: 02/25/18 09:53:56AM
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